{"id":482,"date":"2008-01-23T20:53:01","date_gmt":"2008-01-24T04:53:01","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.rudyrucker.com\/blog\/2008\/01\/23\/interview-on-postsingular-and-frek-and-the-elixir\/"},"modified":"2008-01-23T21:04:35","modified_gmt":"2008-01-24T05:04:35","slug":"interview-on-postsingular-and-frek-and-the-elixir","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.rudyrucker.com\/blog\/2008\/01\/23\/interview-on-postsingular-and-frek-and-the-elixir\/","title":{"rendered":"Interview on Postsingular and Frek and the Elixir"},"content":{"rendered":"

Denver, Colorado, writer Erin Weinstock recently did an email interview<\/a> with me for a forum she runs off her website Buck Rogers in the 26th Century<\/a>. She originally contacted me because she\u2019d read Frek and the Elixir<\/a><\/em>, but I got her to read Postsingular<\/a><\/em>, too.<\/p>\n

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Q 1: <\/b>Did you start writing Frek and the Elixir <\/em>back in 1999? I’m asking this because of eras being referred to as Y2K and Y3K.<\/p>\n

A 2: <\/b>I started writing Frek <\/em>in June of 2001, and it took me two years to finish it. The phrase Y2K was indeed fresh in my mind, so it seemed natural to think about Y3K. You\u2019ll notice that Frek <\/em>is set in 3003, which is like an \u201cupgraded\u201d\u009d version of 2002, a year during which I was working on the book.<\/p>\n

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Q 2: <\/b>You painted some interesting visions of the future in Postsingular<\/em> and Frek and the Elixir<\/em>. Would you ever like to see any of the tech or newbio made a reality?<\/p>\n

A 2: <\/b>Frek<\/em> is about a maximally biotech future in which there\u2019s no more machines at all. I used to read my children a book called The Fur Family<\/em>, in which a little family of furry creatures lives inside a hollow oak tree, complete with windows and a little red door. I\u2019ve always thought it would be nice to live in a house like that, so that\u2019s where I put Frek\u2019s family. I get sick of machines, so the Frek<\/em> world is a happy dream.<\/p>\n

In Postsingular<\/em>, I pushed the other way, looking at worlds that are as mechanical as possible\u2014the ultimate is when nanomachines eat Earth and everyone becomes a simulation in a virtual reality. I would despise living in that kind of world, it represents the aspects of modern life that I find the most boring and dehumanizing. In Postsingular<\/em>, my characters are fighting against some planet-devouring nanomachines called nants. And at the end, as in Frek<\/em>, all the machines go away. But in the Postsingular<\/em> world, it\u2019s not biotech that takes over. Instead every object in the world becomes intelligent and alive. This is such a strange idea that people are having trouble grasping that I\u2019m saying it.<\/p>\n

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Q 3: <\/b>In the sequel, Hylozoic<\/em>, will we find out why, in Postsingular<\/em>, the painting on the magic harp looked like it had Thuy and Jayjay on it?<\/p>\n

A 3: <\/b>You bet. I wrote that scene today, as a matter of fact. It\u2019s in Chapter Seven of Hylozoic<\/em>. Thuy and Jayjay end up hanging out with Hieronymus Bosch, who happens to have that particular magic harp visiting in his house, and Bosch uses them as models for a pair of lovers he paints onto it. When I put the magic harp into Postsingular<\/em>, I didn\u2019t really know what she was, and it\u2019s taken me most of Hylozoic<\/em> to figure that out. But that\u2019s typical for epic and fantastic trilogies. You just have to proceed on nerve and throw down some really weird events in the early volumes and trust that you\u2019ll find good explanations for them later on.<\/p>\n

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Q 4: <\/b>When Thuy uses \u201cincantatory programming\u201d\u009d to break Jil of her sudocoke addiction in Postsingular<\/em>, she says:<\/p>\n

\u201cLove cycles useless rain in the tea. Stun rays squeeze the claws of Flippy-Flop the goose mouse. Caterwaul hello, dark drooping centaur dicks. Are you good to go-go, gooey goob? Able elbow boogie brew for two in the battered porches of thine ears, Jungle Jil. Comb out and pray. Pug sniff the cretin hop lollipop of me and you, meow and moo.\u201d\u009d <\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Did you use a board loaded with poetry magnets to come up with the wording?<\/p>\n

A 4: This is Dada beat poetry, and no set of poetry magnets would be big enough to hold all the words teeming in my mind! It\u2019s less random than it looks. I have private associations for most of the phrases. And it\u2019s also about the music of the sounds.
\nI\u2019ll try and explain it to you, what the heck. The first sentence begins with \u201cLove,\u201d\u009d because that\u2019s what\u2019s going to save Jil. And then it becomes a riff off a haiku by Jack Kerouac: \u201cUseless, useless, \/ the heavy rain \/ Driving into the sea.\u201d\u009d<\/p>\n

\u201cStun rays\u201d\u009d is a variant of \u201csun rays\u201d\u009d and \u201csting rays.\u201d\u009d I\u2019m not sure where \u201cFlippy-Flop the goose mouse\u201d\u009d comes from, but it\u2019s a phrase I like a lot, and I was saying it out loud in a weird falsetto voice for a couple of days. Sometimes I\u2019m almost like a Tourette\u2019s Syndrome person.<\/p>\n

Maybe \u201ccentaur dicks\u201d\u009d is a nod to John Updike who wrote The Centaur<\/em>. Also I was thinking of Alfred Stieglitz\u2019s 1923 black and white photo Spiritual America<\/em>, which is a close up of the belly of a castrated work horse.<\/p>\n

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The next sentence merges \u201cgood to go\u201d\u009d and \u201cWake Me Up Before You Go-Go.\u201d\u009d I like the word \u201cgoob,\u201d\u009d a lot, I use it to mean an uninformed person, a hick, a noob. I used it in Frek<\/em>, too, remember the Goob Dolls?<\/p>\n

In the sentence after that, I\u2019m playing with sounds able\/elbow boogie\/brew\/two, and I have the Shakespeare thing of \u201cporches of thine ears\u201d\u009d set in contrast to the mass culture vibe of \u201cJungle Jil,\u201d\u009d which sounds like the name of a comic strip.<\/p>\n

\u201cComb out and pray,\u201d\u009d is the kind of pun that James Joyce uses in Finnegans Wake<\/em>, it\u2019s like \u201ccome out and play,\u201d\u009d but it\u2019s also telling Jil to comb the nanomachines out of her neurons and to pray for help.<\/p>\n

In the last sentence, \u201ccretin hop\u201d\u009d is there in honor of the Ramones, and \u201clollipop\u201d\u009d is for my fellow cyberpunk John Shirley, whose books were called \u201clollipops of pain\u201d\u009d by a hostile reviewer. And the hop\/lollipop is a rhyme of course. The end of the sentence is kind of rhyme between \u201cme and you\u201d\u009d and \u201cmeow and moo.\u201d\u009d And the rhyme is kind of saying, \u201cwe seem like separate people, but we can make friendly noises and be like peaceful animals together.\u201d\u009d The \u201cPug sniff\u201d\u009d at the start is maybe to have a god echoing the cat at the end, but it\u2019s more about the sound of \u201cpug,\u201d\u009d so short and abrupt, and matching hop and pop. Oh, and I used to read Dr. Seuss\u2019s Hop on Pop <\/em>to my kids, too.<\/p>\n

It all meshes, it\u2019s not random at all, it\u2019s just a deeper level of meaning. But if you write a whole page like that, nobody\u2019s gonna read it.<\/p>\n

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Q 5: <\/b>Have you ever been to Easter Island?<\/p>\n

A 5: I\u2019ve wanted to go there my whole life, ever since I read Kon-Tiki by Thor Heyerdahl fifty years ago. I hope I make it. It\u2019s a long way from anywhere, but if you could combine it with a visit to Chile or Tahiti.<\/p>\n

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Q 6: <\/b>Do you believe there are real higher planes of existence?<\/p>\n

A 6: <\/b>I\u2019m agnostic on this. As an SF writer, I very often write about higher planes or alternate realities. For me, in a transreal sense, these alternate worlds are in fact the novels that I write.<\/p>\n

But in actual sure-enough reality, yeah, I\u2019d be surprised if there weren\u2019t some other levels. Something huge and staggering that we don\u2019t know about yet. I mean, it seems very unlikely that the whole story is this particular worldview that we monkeys happen to have come up with more or less as a result of a series of historical accidents. It\u2019s as if paramecia were talking to each other and laying down a theory that the universe is a drop of water with algae in it, and that\u2019s all.<\/p>\n

SF is a way to crack your head open a little so some light can shine in.<\/p>\n

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Q 7: <\/b>If you wrote a sequel to Frek and the Elixir<\/em> what might you put in it?<\/p>\n

A 7: <\/b>I was thinking of launching right into the sequel after Frek<\/em>, but I didn\u2019t get paid all that much for Frek<\/em>, considering how long it was. And although it did quite respectably and it wasn\u2019t a Harry Potter <\/em>type best-seller like I\u2019d imagined it might be. So I was a little disappointed, also I was tired of doing the young boy\u2019s voice and of being all sweet and good.<\/p>\n

So I wrote Mathematicians in Love<\/em>, which is about a character who\u2019s closer to being like I am as an adult. And then I got interested in the idea of the Singularity, and I wrote a short story, \u201cChu and the Nants,\u201d\u009d that ended up dragging me into this whole psipunk trilogy of Postsingular<\/em>, Hylozoic<\/em> and (maybe) Transfinite<\/em>, which is about people a little badder than me. In these books I\u2019m being wicked again\u2014like in my Ware <\/em>tetralogy\u2014with plenty of sex and drugs.<\/p>\n

But everything goes up and down, and I\u2019m beginning to want to go back to Frek<\/em> and his world. Frek is me, too, only twelve years old.<\/p>\n

I wouldn\u2019t necessarily put the word \u201cFrek\u201d\u009d in the title of the sequel, but for the purpose of discussion, I\u2019ll refer to it as Frek 2 <\/em>here. I talked it over with my editor, David Hartwell awhile back. Hartwell said a Frek 2<\/em> should have both Frek and Renata, also a lot about the Grulloos. Maybe we don\u2019t have a galactic quest in Frek 2<\/em>, we just set it all on Earth, some people said they\u2019d wished I\u2019d just stayed on that biotech Earth. Possibly I write some of the chapters from Renata\u2019s point of view, instead of always just from Frek\u2019s point of view.<\/p>\n

I\u2019d probably hold back on heating up the possible love\/sex thing between Frek and Renata. They\u2019d keep being close friends with just a touch of romance. Hartwell points that that among young adolescents, perhaps half are uncomfortable with sex, and half do want to hear about it\u2014but the ones who read fantasy and SF are all, natch, from the “uncomfortable with sex” camp.<\/p>\n

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Perhaps I\u2019d find a way to bring Gibby back to life; a lot of people were really bummed that he died. If you\u2019re writing science fiction, there\u2019s always <\/em>a way! At first Gibby\u2019s son will be Frek\u2019s enemy, but after Frek brings back Gibby, they\u2019ll be friend.<\/p>\n

One possibility for the action of Frek 2<\/em> might be a conflict with the toons, kind of a replay of the real vs. virtual reality conflict that I had in Postsingular<\/em>. Or maybe some toons become incarnated in flesh to see what it\u2019s like. Or maybe their software is invading animals and plants. <\/p>\n

Possibly there\u2019s a civil war between the humans and the Grulloos; maybe the Grulloos throw in their lot with the toons. Perhaps the toons and Grulloos are being egged on by some aliens from a non-biotech world.<\/p>\n

There might be some bad consequences of opening up the biome again and releasing all those old organisms. Maybe the house trees catch oak-blight; they\u2019re dying and falling over, roots pulling out of he ground. In that case, Frek and his family might be blamed.<\/p>\n

Maybe some unemployed \u201ccounselors\u201d\u009d (remember, they were the dumb, vicious stooges who worked as agents for the evil government that toppled at the end of Frek <\/em>) would come after Frek\u2019s family, and they\u2019d have to flee to Stun City under assumed names. And maybe they\u2019d be tracked down and have to move on to a misty ocean-port city, something like Seattle or Vancouver\u2014call it Mistport\u2014where vaalships (whale-based kritters) are bringing in odd things.<\/p>\n

And one of the things will play a key role in blocking the burgeoning Grulloo-toon-alien-counselor revolution! And Frek wins the Grulloos back over to the good side. Yaar.<\/p>\n

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Q 8: <\/b>When inventing the different species of kritters and aliens for Frek and the Elixir<\/em>, did you come up with them on the fly when needed during writing, or all at once before starting the book?<\/p>\n

A 8: <\/b>Both. I work out some things before I start a book, but a lot of it I invent as I go along. I\u2019ll finish a scene and see that I need new stuff for the next scene, and then I\u2019ll work on my notes for awhile to try and figure it out. I post these huge Notes documents as PDF files on my writing page, www.rudyrucker.com\/writing. There\u2019s a Notes document for each of my Novels. Lately the Notes is longer than the Novel. You can go to that site and study the Notes if you really want to try and figure out my process. Let a thousand theses bloom!<\/p>\n

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Q 9: <\/b>Do you think there are leaders out there as corrupt as Dick Dibbs in Postsingular<\/em> and Gov in Frek and the Elixir<\/em>?<\/p>\n

A 9: <\/b>I don’t think “corrupt” is a strong enough word here. Note that I also describe these kinds of leaders in Mathematicians in Love <\/em>and in Hylozoic<\/em>. All these books were written during the years 2000-2008. Hmm. Does that suggest anything to you?<\/p>\n

I think that the U. S. is suffering through a very dark time. We\u2019re being run by people so stupid that they think we’re as stupid as they are. They treat us with contempt, as if we were their pawns to be lied to and used. The tide will turn soon. As an author I\u2019ve been doing what I can to raise the public\u2019s consciousness. We can have our country back if we want it.<\/p>\n

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Q 10: <\/b>Cuttlefish come up in both novels and I remember you saying in a podcast you like them. What do you find special about them?<\/p>\n

A 10: <\/b>I like the name; it sounds like \u201cscuttle.\u201d\u009d And they\u2019re not fish at all, they\u2019re really just short, fat squid. I love their tentacles, and the hula skirt around their fat butts, and the way they can change colors and even pattern themselves, and the fact that they\u2019re all soft and gooshy except for this scary parrot-beak in the middle of the tentacles. They don\u2019t live in the ocean around where I live, but now and then I go visit them in the aquarium. I ate some cuttlefish sushi in Japan recently, it\u2019s terrible, it tastes like white plastic, they just slip it into your order to save money. H. P. Lovecraft\u2019s famous evil alien Cthulhu has a face that resembles a cuttlefish. Gotta love someone whose face is covered with tentacles!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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