Comments on: All nouns, All verbs http://www.rudyrucker.com/blog/2009/08/21/all-nouns-all-verbs/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=all-nouns-all-verbs Wed, 08 Feb 2012 06:58:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Rodney Berry http://www.rudyrucker.com/blog/2009/08/21/all-nouns-all-verbs/comment-page-1/#comment-20477 Rodney Berry Fri, 04 Sep 2009 06:12:57 +0000 http://www.rudyrucker.com/blog/?p=1558#comment-20477 HI Rudy, lon time no see. ... got me thinking about how in Japanese, a lot of concepts to which English speakers would assign a verb, are actually adjectives. For example to say you love somebody in Japanese is to say that the other person has the property of being loved-by-you as one might say the other is tall or blue. also thinking of how Heidegger often created verbs out of nouns (maybe that's more easier to do in German?) for example he will use 'presence' as a verb and even change it back into an noun 'presencing'. ... anyway, just neurons doing their stuff. dunno what to make of it. best wishes, Rodney HI Rudy, lon time no see.

… got me thinking about how in Japanese, a lot of concepts to which English speakers would assign a verb, are actually adjectives. For example to say you love somebody in Japanese is to say that the other person has the property of being loved-by-you as one might say the other is tall or blue.

also thinking of how Heidegger often created verbs out of nouns (maybe that’s more easier to do in German?) for example he will use ‘presence’ as a verb and even change it back into an noun ‘presencing’.

… anyway, just neurons doing their stuff. dunno what to make of it.

best wishes,

Rodney

]]> By: Rudy http://www.rudyrucker.com/blog/2009/08/21/all-nouns-all-verbs/comment-page-1/#comment-20447 Rudy Tue, 01 Sep 2009 14:51:54 +0000 http://www.rudyrucker.com/blog/?p=1558#comment-20447 Computing slime! Thanks, R 3.0, I now await my Prognosticator Prize, having writting about the moldie robots in FREEWARE, creatures made of piezoplastic flickercladding veined with mold like a fine bleu cheese. Computing slime! Thanks, R 3.0, I now await my Prognosticator Prize, having writting about the moldie robots in FREEWARE, creatures made of piezoplastic flickercladding veined with mold like a fine bleu cheese.

]]> By: R 3.0 http://www.rudyrucker.com/blog/2009/08/21/all-nouns-all-verbs/comment-page-1/#comment-20445 R 3.0 Tue, 01 Sep 2009 12:22:16 +0000 http://www.rudyrucker.com/blog/?p=1558#comment-20445 This is kind of irrelevant to this particular blog entry - apologies - but it pleases the hell out of me to be the one to inform all of you that flickercladding is now a reality. Check it out: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090827073256.htm This is kind of irrelevant to this particular blog entry – apologies – but it pleases the hell out of me to be the one to inform all of you that flickercladding is now a reality.
Check it out: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090827073256.htm

]]> By: paradoctor http://www.rudyrucker.com/blog/2009/08/21/all-nouns-all-verbs/comment-page-1/#comment-20426 paradoctor Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:51:45 +0000 http://www.rudyrucker.com/blog/?p=1558#comment-20426 Aack! The texts didn't transmit. Nouns only: I jivas Mrs. Earbore society-lady Hollywood SF-movie alien voice accent contractions aliens Hollywood trick we we Verbs only: had talking use 's can 're are Adverbs and adjectives only: Originally somewhat dull orotund standard deep British stupid superintelligent like Aack! The texts didn’t transmit.

Nouns only:
I jivas Mrs. Earbore society-lady Hollywood SF-movie alien voice accent contractions aliens Hollywood trick we we

Verbs only:
had talking use ‘s can ‘re are

Adverbs and adjectives only:
Originally somewhat dull orotund standard deep British stupid superintelligent like

]]> By: paradoctor http://www.rudyrucker.com/blog/2009/08/21/all-nouns-all-verbs/comment-page-1/#comment-20425 paradoctor Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:42:10 +0000 http://www.rudyrucker.com/blog/?p=1558#comment-20425 The trouble with all-nouns or all-verbs is lack of structure. How do all those Tom Sawyer nouns fit together? Waste pomp ammunition bug battery artillery? Say what? You say: <> Nouns only, that's: <<I>> Say what? Now verbs and gerunds only: <> They both need adjectives at least. Adjectives and adverbs only: <> We also lose logic connectives like 'and' and - worse - 'no'. Also: of, like, through, though, because... So I don't think this'll work except for the simplest and shortest utterances. (In jiva: I this utterances. In yuel: don't think work.) How's this for an alien grammar: instead of noun-verb-noun, try verb-noun-verb? So instead of "the chicken laid an egg", it's "cluck egg lay." But for all I know, some human languages already use that grammar. Consult Chomsky; according to him all human languages are the same, modulo dialects. So going out of our fold is non-trivial. How about this: all sentences in the interrogative mode. Or how about the all-imperative mode, with zero agenda-hiding, again? It was a major hoot. The trouble with all-nouns or all-verbs is lack of structure. How do all those Tom Sawyer nouns fit together? Waste pomp ammunition bug battery artillery? Say what?

You say:
<>

Nouns only, that’s:
<>
Say what?

Now verbs and gerunds only:
<>

They both need adjectives at least. Adjectives and adverbs only:
<>

We also lose logic connectives like ‘and’ and – worse – ‘no’. Also: of, like, through, though, because…

So I don’t think this’ll work except for the simplest and shortest utterances. (In jiva: I this utterances. In yuel: don’t think work.)

How’s this for an alien grammar: instead of noun-verb-noun, try verb-noun-verb? So instead of “the chicken laid an egg”, it’s “cluck egg lay.” But for all I know, some human languages already use that grammar. Consult Chomsky; according to him all human languages are the same, modulo dialects. So going out of our fold is non-trivial.

How about this: all sentences in the interrogative mode. Or how about the all-imperative mode, with zero agenda-hiding, again? It was a major hoot.

]]> By: HAL-1701 http://www.rudyrucker.com/blog/2009/08/21/all-nouns-all-verbs/comment-page-1/#comment-20350 HAL-1701 Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:27:38 +0000 http://www.rudyrucker.com/blog/?p=1558#comment-20350 best robot company, FESTO. outa some not-so-big town in germany. the company used to make old wood and brass things for centuries, now the great-great-grandson is making manta-rays and manta-blimps and tentacles and other 'bio-inspired' (read, just plain smart designers!) robot ideas, including a tall wiggly wall.... http://www.hizook.com/blog/2008/10/19/festo-manta-rays-dirigible-and-submersible best robot company, FESTO. outa some not-so-big town in germany. the company used to make old wood and brass things for centuries, now the great-great-grandson is making manta-rays and manta-blimps and tentacles and other ‘bio-inspired’ (read, just plain smart designers!) robot ideas, including a tall wiggly wall….

http://www.hizook.com/blog/2008/10/19/festo-manta-rays-dirigible-and-submersible

]]> By: HAL-1701 http://www.rudyrucker.com/blog/2009/08/21/all-nouns-all-verbs/comment-page-1/#comment-20344 HAL-1701 Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:28:46 +0000 http://www.rudyrucker.com/blog/?p=1558#comment-20344 ( a paragraph from tom sawyer chapter 22, purified to nouns: ) night storm, rain, claps thunder sheets lightning. head bedclothes suspense doom; shadow doubt hubbub. forbearance powers extremity endurance result. waste pomp ammunition bug battery artillery, nothing thunderstorm turf insect himself. ( a paragraph from tom sawyer chapter 22, purified to nouns: )

night storm, rain, claps thunder sheets lightning. head bedclothes suspense doom; shadow doubt hubbub. forbearance powers extremity endurance result. waste pomp ammunition bug battery artillery, nothing thunderstorm turf insect himself.

]]> By: Nick http://www.rudyrucker.com/blog/2009/08/21/all-nouns-all-verbs/comment-page-1/#comment-20338 Nick Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:56:45 +0000 http://www.rudyrucker.com/blog/?p=1558#comment-20338 I just posted some thoughts on this, @ my blog http://nmarshall23.livejournal.com/5756.html But I will summarize, reminds me of a brain altering exercises of Aleister Crowley's. In this exercises, your choose to restrict your speech; Such as avoiding a common word or pronouns of the first person. anding using negative feedback, ie pain to reinforce it. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Liber_III_vel_Jugorum#III Maybe that would be helpful. I never did use a razor, like Robert Anton Wilson, it was it one of his book's that I learned of this.. I bit my thumb. Latter I got a little electric buzzer. Nick I just posted some thoughts on this, @ my blog http://nmarshall23.livejournal.com/5756.html

But I will summarize, reminds me of a brain altering exercises of Aleister Crowley’s. In this exercises, your choose to restrict your speech; Such as avoiding a common word or pronouns of the first person. anding using negative feedback, ie pain to reinforce it.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Liber_III_vel_Jugorum#III

Maybe that would be helpful. I never did use a razor, like Robert Anton Wilson, it was it one of his book’s that I learned of this.. I bit my thumb. Latter I got a little electric buzzer.

Nick

]]> By: Henry Wessells http://www.rudyrucker.com/blog/2009/08/21/all-nouns-all-verbs/comment-page-1/#comment-20335 Henry Wessells Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:47:08 +0000 http://www.rudyrucker.com/blog/?p=1558#comment-20335 RR Nice to know you follow your own advice: “You’re not doing your job as an SF or fantasy writer unless your readers wonder if you’re crazy.” Can't wait read desire view book HW RR
Nice to know you follow your own advice:
“You’re not doing your job as an SF or fantasy writer unless your readers wonder if you’re crazy.”

Can’t wait read
desire view book

HW

]]> By: HAL-1701 http://www.rudyrucker.com/blog/2009/08/21/all-nouns-all-verbs/comment-page-1/#comment-20328 HAL-1701 Sun, 23 Aug 2009 04:48:11 +0000 http://www.rudyrucker.com/blog/?p=1558#comment-20328 iriquois: ugh, how. (no not iraqi) (or maybe indigenous aboriginal natives being routed by the cavalry from calvary DO call them selves 'iriquoi' in their ur-language) texmex: "txting and iming has made proper grammar seems kinda oldskoo, dont u thnk? heres hoping 4 caps & punctuation 2 comeback in emails & other writing. the gr8 gatsby probly wuld hv been way less gr8 if it wuz written like this. lol" (that's a quote from a blog i am at right at this instant, saying that grammar is extinct) (it's obviously by an oldschooler who doesn't really know how to type with his thumbs) iriquois: ugh, how. (no not iraqi) (or maybe indigenous aboriginal natives being routed by the cavalry from calvary DO call them selves ‘iriquoi’ in their ur-language)

texmex: “txting and iming has made proper grammar seems kinda oldskoo, dont u thnk? heres hoping 4 caps & punctuation 2 comeback in emails & other writing. the gr8 gatsby probly wuld hv been way less gr8 if it wuz written like this. lol”

(that’s a quote from a blog i am at right at this instant, saying that grammar is extinct)
(it’s obviously by an oldschooler who doesn’t really know how to type with his thumbs)

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